Hate, Fear, Tolerance, and Approval

The current national debate on homosexual marriage has brought to light – again – one of the nastiest tactics used in “discussion” that I know of. That tactic is labeling those who disagree with you “phobic” or “hateful.” What it usually looks like is this: if I express the belief that homosexual marriage is wrong, detrimental to society, or in any way less than ideal, I’m labeled as homophobic or hateful.

Now, how one concludes that disagreeing with another individual means that one must have an irrational, consuming fear of the other individual is beyond me. I am hardly afraid of homosexuals – I have worked with, studied with, and hung out with homosexuals of my own free will – nor am I afraid of homosexuality in and of itself. I am repulsed by it, yes, but not afraid of the idea. What I am afraid of is the general and ongoing shift towards relativism in our culture, of which the debate over homosexual marriage is just the most clear and present manifestation.

I also do not hate homosexuals, nor do I wish them ill. In fact, I feel badly that a homosexual man or woman cannot be visited by those closest to them in hospitals, that they have significant difficulties with estate settlements, etc. I do not feel, though, that the rights in question – the right to designate heirs or approved visitors at a hospital, for example – are necessarily linked to marriage, gay or straight. These issues need to be addressed, but they do not have to be addressed by redefining marriage. So, I am empathic toward homosexuals – not hateful – but I am not willing to redefine a major pillar of civilization to avoid grappling with laws related to taxes, estates, and medical care.

Finally, there is the issue of “rights.” Gay rights activists would have us believe that homosexuals are being oppressed and denied basic human dignity in the way that blacks were during the 1960′s or even the way Jews were in the Holocaust. This is not at all the case! Nobody is telling gays that they cannot vote, own property, hold public office, or even marry (in the traditional sense). What is in question, rather, is what the latter means. Is marriage a union between a man and a woman? Between two adults (regardless of gender)? Between consenting human beings (regardless of number)? Between consenting mammals?

Since the basic biology does not change, once homosexual marriages are allowed, why forbid group marriage? Pedophilia? Bestiality? Many people have gotten blasted for making comments on these lines. If you want to blast me, fine, but here’s the challenge I offer you: explain to me why group marriage should not be allowed, while gay marriage should, or consensual pedophilia, etc, THEN blast me.

This is not a discussion about rights; it’s a discussion about what society itself is. If we discard male-female marriage as the basis of procreation and child-rearing, we call into question the very nature of society and what positive and negative sanctions that society may prescribe. If any activity between consenting adults is acceptable, even when it affects children, why not allow murder and cannibalism, if the victim consents (this is the subject of a trial in Germany, right now)? It’s consensual, right? Why not allow cocaine use, so long as no violent crimes are committed? If a woman using cocaine happens to kill or addict her unborn children, well, big deal, since a fetus has no legal rights… right?

Explain to me where society is allowed to draw the line. Show me how homosexual marriage can legally exist without affecting society’s mores in general and how we can still justify setting any limits, then we’ll talk about whether or not homosexual marriage is a problem.

Feedback is welcome, so long as you want to offer something other than “you hateful person” – contact me here.

4 Responses to “Hate, Fear, Tolerance, and Approval”

  1. EdBlog » Blog Archive » Becker and Posner Take on Gay Marriage Says:

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  2. John Says:

    I personally don’t think you straight people aren’t handling your marriage rights properly with so much divorce. So why am I not allowed to disagree with your right to get married? I would accept this argument if it were a two way street, but it isn’t. You shouldn’t be able to deny my rights, even if you don’t believe in them. And vice versa.

  3. John Says:

    Also, Love is not a baby contract. Love is a contract stating you two are an intity, and plan to live in such a way that you will be sharing investments, including time, money, love, etc. If two individuals are residing like a married couple, and interact like a married couple, then they should be allowed to. It is unfair that these people are double taxed. Your forfathers, from 1600′s until now have created the world you are in. And if that world accepts and tolerates homosexuals, then that world should step forward and give them marriage rights… but i guess you won’t realize what this blog symbolizes until looking at it in retrospect 40 years down the line. Then you will realize it wasn’t that big of a deal, and marriage means something completely different than it did when you wrote it. And it has meant something different every decade since marriage began.

    Trying to label something as ‘traditional’ that has morphed and changed all the time for heterosexuals is not tradityional at all. If you were to reinstate traditional, arranged, noninteracial marriages from the 1600′s, then I would have to agree there is no room for homosexuals. But if you change it for you, then you should change it for us

  4. Ed Says:

    Hi John,

    I didn’t claim that heterosexual marriages are being handled all that well; the point was that society has compelling reasons to endorse heterosexual marriage, but not other forms of marriage.

    As for your comments about rights, I addressed that above. You and I have equal rights under the law – we are both allowed to enter into marriage. The difference is that you want the concept of marriage to include something it has never meant.

    About your second comment: it seems to be very trendy to claim that marriage as we know it – heterosexual, monogamous, and lifelong – is a new invention. That’s just not true; even though other cultures in other periods have had different sexual ethics, the concept of what marriage itself is has been relatively stable for centuries. The precise motivations – love vs. land or convenience – have varied, but the basic idea is much more consistent.

    You’re probably right; the Western definition of marriage in 40 years probably will look totally different from the definition today. That doesn’t mean that’s necessarily okay, though; a lot of folks seem to think, “Well, it changes all the time, so this is just what’s next,” without considering whether there are deeper implications in “what’s next.”

    Thanks for your comments.

    -Ed

    P.S. Just because bigotry has existed, previously, in a society, does not mean it’s automatically a motivation for many people, now. Sure, people have been racists and denied interracial marriage rights; that, by itself, does not make those who oppose gay marriage also bigots. There is a big difference between nature (physical characteristics such as skin color) and action (homosexual behavior). Whether or not one believes homosexuality is innate, homosexual behavior, obviously, is not, and that deserves attention.

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